Wednesday’s broadcast of “The Majority Report” podcast included a heated exchange between podcaster Jesse Singal and two liberal hosts.
The discussion topic was the appropriateness and safety of gender transition procedures for minors.
Liberal hosts Emma Vigeland and Sam Seder invited Jesse Singal, a conservative, to their show to defend his position that gender transition procedures should not be available to minors. Prior to the show, Seder and Vigeland criticized Singal’s position.
Singal began his comments with an attempt to take the high road — noting that though they disagree on whether or not gender transition procedures should be available to minors, there were likely many discussion points on which they could agree.
Seder responded with vitriol: “Jesse, I just want to make something clear. I don’t care where we agree on. That is, I can’t tell you how irrelevant it is to me what we agree on, whether it is the context of trans stuff, whether it is in the context of any other politics.”
Seder added: “The reason why I think you are toxic and, at best, extremely unhelpful in this area is that you distort the importance of this issue.”
Seder then accused Singal of being a tool of Republican politicians to deny trans people their rights and that his work and statements were being used “to attack trans people.”
Vigeland interjected that Singal rejected the “overwhelming data” that shows sex change treatments for children “is effective and helps reduce suicidal ideation.” Vigeland did not cite his source to substantiate his comment.
Seeing this, Singal replied: “Oh, but what you said isn’t true. There isn’t overwhelming evidence.”
Unable to provide evidence, Vigeland asked Singal if he was familiar with the Journal of Pediatrics’ research on transgender procedures.
Surprising Vigeland and Seder, Singal replied that he had and that he had written two pieces noting flaws in their reporting, including that “none of those children were diagnosed with gender dysphoria.”
Pressing Singal for a direct yes or no on the matter, Vigeland asked Singal if he believed gender transition procedures were appropriate and effective on children.
Singal replied, “I am with the five European countries who have looked into this question closely and all of them are like ‘we don’t know yet, we need more data.’ So no, it’s not established.”
Attempting to trap Singal by linking gender transition procedures to “establish standards of care” for children, Vigeland asked is the “established standards of care” guidelines “in America are effective for children” and, if so, should they be applied to trans-identifying youth?
Singal replied: “The standards of care say that kids should get like one to two years of therapy before they transition,” Singal said.
The heated conversation touched on recent whistleblowers who claimed medical centers such as Washington University Transgender Center and Boston Medical Center were conducting radical transgender reassignment surgeries on pre-teens.
Vigeland denied the reports, though the accusations were confirmed by The New York Times.
The whistleblower, Jamie Reed, identifies as a “queer woman” who is “politically left of Bernie Sanders.” In her February report, she said: “Given the secrecy and lack of rigorous standards that characterize youth gender transition across the country, I believe that to ensure the safety of American children, we need a moratorium on the hormonal and surgical treatment of young people with gender dysphoria.”
Vigeland then moved to cut the interview short.
“We’ve got to run, but people can look this up,” Vigeland said. “There have been lies over and over proven that she has put out there, which you took at face value.”
Singal invited Vigeland and Seder to his podcast, but they declined his offer, claiming Singal was not acting “in good faith.”
“You’re backing out; it’s unfortunate,” Singal quipped.
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